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Important things from DWM... (The repost, with new improved ticky boxes)

(Well, they aren't important, really. It just seemed like a nice header.)

1. Reading the details of 2012 DVD releases was like a Good News, Bad News joke (but only if you are me, fear not everyone else). As follows:

GOOD NEWS!
They have finally given out details of the Robots of Death Special ed.
BAD NEWS!
David Collings is not on the new commentary. *cries*
GOOD NEWS!
I won't be tempted to buy/ask nicely for the wretched box set of things I already own!
BAD NEWS!
Are you joking? You won't be tempted to buy/ask for shiny new RoD with Louise, Tom & Pamela Salem on the commentary, with a new documentary that does include David Collings? Plus, some of the extras on the other two look mildly shiny.
BAD NEWS
Damn. You got me. 2Entertain are evil masterminds.
GOOD NEWS!
They are actually, actually going to release More Than 30 Years... on DVD next year. I was only thinking last night how much I wished they would, but how unlikely it was now.

Also in a similar vein (from last month and this month), it seems 2012 will be the year for some serious McCoy/NA bonuses, thanks to Big Finish. They're going to do a spin-off range featuring Rachel, Gilmore & Allison from Remembrance (with the original actors, yes) and to celebrate Benny's 20th birthday, Jac Rayner is adapting Love & War for Big Finish, and it will feature Sylvester and Sophie and Seven and Ace as well as Lisa Bowerman as Benny.

However, the important bit was the regular debate feature, which was should the anniversary story in 2013 be multi-Doctor or not? Well, we don't really have a choice - Mr Moffat is the lucky (or perhaps highly unlucky?) chap who gets to decide and I am sure he will do something properly celebratory. But, given the choice, is anyone really going to say no on the flimsy pretext that multi-Doctor stories are often silly and sometimes disappointing? If you asked the person on the street who had only watched one episode, they would say there should be multiple Doctors. Non-fans are always wanting to watch the story with lots of Doctors.

This is my theory, so: Poll! Please especially vote if you know very little about DW. :-)

[Poll #1795501]

This poll is very important, because obviously Steven Moffat reads my LJ (he likes people who like Press Gang) and will take the answers into account. (That might not be true.)

Personally, I totally agree with the 'yes' writer, especially on the conclusion, which was basically JUST GIVE US PAUL MCGANN IN A THINGY THAT'S NOT THE TVM. Thank you. Quite. (Even if obviously I would most love Seven, and even though Ten would not be my first pick, can you imagine the combined on-screen hyperactivity there would be with David Tennant and Matt Smith at the same time?)

List of Yuletide fandoms is up. Some slight hitches (oh where is the fandom that was going to be my fourth request? Also Spooks was my fallback, but it doesn't have the character I need) but mainly GLEE. I had seriously worried I wouldn't be able to offer things (because I do need to be realistic at the moment), but someone's nomination even looks as though they seriously want to request a story I've been wanting to write since I was about 13. Also, look, look at the characters in Dungeons & Dragons! Backstory!! (Sorry. I am resigned to the knowledge that this will excite no one else on my flist.) Ye-es. I am probably going to have to request that one...

The important bit about this is mainly that sign-ups are going to go live very soon. Possibly they are, as I haven't checked this afternoon yet. I just need to decide what req. no 4 will be and try and write a Yuletide letter that doesn't go on for thousands of words about how much I love the things I am requesting & confuse my poor, unlucky writer.

Also, the highly organised nature of Diana Wynne Jones's fans is amusing me. You can request/offer Chronicles of Chrestomanci, Dalemark, Eight Days of Luke, Enchanted Glass, Fire & Hemlock, The Game, Hexwood, Magids series, The Homeward Bounders Howl series, The Ogre Downstairs, The Power of Three, A Sudden Wild Magic, A Tale of Time City, The Time of the Ghost and the Tough Guide. (As far as I can think, that's only Dogsbody, Black Maria and Archer's Goon not nominated. And maybe I missed those. :lol:)

Also, the last minute discussion on which fandom Kaboom was seems to have generated an unexpected addition of anthroprohic fic about Kaboom cleaner, breakfast cereal...

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I voted for everyone - including ticky box and other. Other I would accept David Troughton (or Fraiser Hines) doing Two, and Sean Pertwee as Three, and frankly I accept Richard similiar name Hurdnell in Five Doctors, so I am sure there must be a Harry Hordnell or something out there who could play Hartnell. Or they could cut in more bits of Shada or something while the ones who wanted to be in it ran around. Also Joanna Lumley could be in it, in my world, and maybe Katy Manning as Iris. And Richard E. Grant as REG!Nine.

In short - MULTIDOCTOR STORIES ARE MY FAVOURITE THING, except stories that also have Iris in them.

Also I am well excited about the Jac Rayner Benny adaptation. My DWM is at home waiting to be read...

Ha. I thought of Joanna Lumley as well. (I mean, it was Steven Moffat who wrote Curse!).

Multi-Doctor stories are the best thing ever, even when they aren't. It isn't the moment for being cool. If the show is 50, that is worth partying over.

(I would be a little freaked out by people standing in for Troughton and Pertwee, though. Somehow Richard Hurndell got away with it, but I just can't... I was reading in DWM about David Troughton being Two for those Other Audios. And thinking thank goodness Big Finish would never do that. But maybe that is just me, then? No one can be Two but my lovely lovely Patrick Troughton. What they should do is FIND THE BURNINATED EPISODES and insert colourised bits. Or cartoonize them and use the soundtracks to get him and Hartnell in there. Or something else equally unrealistic.

Iris would be cool, but probably Katy Manning's recent return would preclude it now. Oh, wait. I'm being realistic! *slaps self* Absolutely!

And Charley. But especially Eight so no one can ever ever say he doesn't exist when he clearly does.

I also thought - a cartoon would be a perfect way to get all the Doctors in it, and make them look young/the same. I know it's bad to replace actors but I am willing to do it... Perhaps because my favourites are still alive (if much rounder - Colin Baker), and McGann looks the same. Could grow own hair for the part...

I also thought as I was suggesting Iris - people would be confused as to whether she was Jo. And then I thought, well, I will say it anyway.

McGann looks the same. Could grow own hair for the part...

FROM YOUR LIPS TO GOD'S EARS. Seriously, the man needs to grow it back and stop looking like he cut it with a lawn mower/can't be bothered to run a comb through it. Bloody criminal for a man with hair like his to run around like that.

/unsolicited totally opinionatedness

not at all. i am (sadly) always willing to talk about mcgann!hair.

i quite like the short tousled hair, to be honest, but he looks like a cancer victim with a shaved head. not good. one can criticise The Wig and fairly, but he did have nice hair when he auditioned and no hair when he turned up for the part...

I don't mind tousled, but bedhead? (Often the impression I've had in interviews and other such appearances in recent years.) I confess I do tend to think it's a bit too short anyway, but that's because I'm ridiculously biased about these things. If you've got the hair, flaunt it, already!!

I wouldn't want anyone else standing in for deceased actors, but OMG would I love Frazer Hines as Jamie! Let's get a multi-companion story for the anniversary!!!!!

Five Doctors brought back loads of companions (though the bubble wrap scene was frankly not long enough)! So maybe that will happen again...

Actually - talking of old companions, I'm sure Big Finish will think of something spiffy with EVERYONE in it *Cough*Zagreus2*cough*

David Troughton might be able to work as Patrick (though, um, I'd much rather he not), but Sean Pertwee... well, there are times when he looks spookily like Jon (at least as far as eyes and cheekbones go), but he says himself (or did in an interview I saw online) that he hasn't got Jon's eccentricity and wouldn't want to try to fill those shoes. I support him entirely on not wanting to try that.

Animated DW with others doing the voices? I suppose that could work.

Bring 'em on, mate. I say we get everyone who was ever anyone on this show and have a big old party even if it makes no farking sense whatsoever. Toss sense out the window (nevermind it's been there for almost 5 decades) and have fun. If you're not gonna do it for the 50th, you never will, so...yeah. Bring it on. Hell, get Jon Culshaw, too, and we can have two Fours to really make things festive and make the Four fans happy. Why the hell not? /overenthusiastic ridiculousness

Absolutely. If we're not going to party because we reached 50, when are we going to party? There are not many TV shows that reach 50, let alone one little sf show. :-)

I will be very disappointed if the anniversary doesn't at least have David Tennant as the Tenth Doctor, if only because you just KNOW he would really, really want to do it! In fact, if he doesn't get to do it, I think he might be the most disappointed fan of all. :D

But how awesome would it be to get Paul McGann? And it'd be great to see Colin Baker as the Doctor again, and I love Peter Davison in everything, and Sylvester McCoy is always wonderful, and I've wanted to see Tom Baker back since about 2 minutes after "Logopolis" ended. The only Doctor I honestly don't care about is Nine, but sure, he can be there too. : )

I saw the bit about Kaboom. Sometimes fandom is truly awesome!

:lol: True! He would probably disguise himself as a Zarbi and sneak on set if they didn't let him in any other way.

I get the feeling, if we're being realistic, that Christopher Eccleston would be less willing than any of the others. (Although now it's 6 & will be more years later, I don't know if he's still Putting It Behind Him).

Also I love you for saying that Sylvester is always wonderful. ♥

Kaboom getting a last minute nomination like that was so funny. I wonder if there will actually be fic? (And Space:1999 made it through, did you see? :-D)

Ha, I said every Doctor, even the ones that don't really do it for me personally. Just chuck 'em all in and see what happens! And add some Frobisher to the mix, too.

I just realized I don't have a Seven icon, which is all kinds of wrong.

Absolutely! Why not?

Frobisher could narrate the whole thing. :-)

*shock* No Seven icon! It is, indeed.

I was going to suggest Joanna Lumley and Richard E. Grant, but I see someone got there first. That still leaves Rowan Atkinson (and Philip Hinchcliffe, just to muddy the waters about whether there were Doctors before One).

Also I want Graeme Garden and Stephen Fry to reprise their audio roles onscreen, and an appearance from the Corsair.

But One is the First, the Original, you might say. Even if it wasn't technically him that said that, but his dodgy double. :-P

Also Spooks was my fallback, but it doesn't have the character I need)

You should have said, I'd have added said character when I nominated it, since I only cared about Harry being on the list.

Aw, thanks. I didn't know that I would even consider Spooks at that point though. But then things changed with Yuletide, and I finished S10. However, I am pretty excited about my other fallback choice(s) I had, so it has all worked out in the end.

:-)

Also, I'm not quite sure I want to request Harry anyway, so it's just as well I added some extra characters.

Hehe! Changing your mind is definitely a Yuletide thing! Still, thanks to you, other people can request him, so that's okay.

I voted for nine, eight, and five, but really I'd be happy with any of them. Also other, because Rowan Atkinson totally counts as one of the incarnations.

In all seriousness though, PENGUINS!

That is all.

Yes, it looks as though the most popular thing for the 50th episode among my flist is Eight and Penguins. I think that is quite wonderful.

:-D

To be honest, I'm perfectly willing to accept the arguments of (boring!) people who say The Three/Five/Two Doctors aren't the greatest Who stories ever made (as indeed they are not), but I just want my 50th anniversary multi-Doctor story I've been pining for ever since it first occurred to me that the 50-year mark was coming up, like, really soon, comparatively. So there. ;D

As who should be in it, I'd be open to any surviving Doctors who remain willing and/or able. I'd love to see McGann, to be honest. I'd love to see McCoy more (obviously!) - that Youtube video that was going round a while back of him reading lines from Eleven stories convinces me he's still got "it" (although I supposed if I listened to more audios, they might convince me too, but...yeah, I'm not a diligent audio-consumer, as you know). Even if they only get Tennant back, I'd probably count it as a result, really.

As for stand-ins for One/Two/Three...on the one hand I think "no, terrible idea", but on the other... Y'see, I don't actually mind Richard Hurndall in The Five Doctors as much as some fans would like me to - I think I came round to him when I finally realised he wasn't trying to do a (very bad) impression of Hartnell but actually playing the part his own way. I'd like to see Sean Pertwee giving Three his best shot, to be honest - he looks more and more like his dad every time I see in him something, and I think he's actually a really good actor on the quiet. Ditto David Troughton. I think the thing is, if they went down that route there'd be the inevitable fan backlash etc, so maybe better if they just leave all of that alone, really.

But yes, Moffat had better read this post and the comments and take notice! He better had...! :D

Oh, my first choice would Seven and Eight, but I don't think that would be most people's. I think I'd mainly say everyone, although I do have some reservations about letting Tom Baker near anything, just in case he was in the mood for sending everything up that day, or being awkward or something, in that way that he is. However, you couldn't have everyone else and not him, that would be awful.

I think asking Sean and David would be kind of tacky. But the BBC (who are clearly not as good as Big Finish at audios) have already asked David Troughton to do that on audio. I think that's horrible. But then I can kind of get someone doing Hartnell, because's he's got these traits you can pick up on, but ersatz Troughton, urk, urk urk. No. There is nobody like him.

Steven Moffat totally reads my LJ. He doesn't do online DW stuff any more for the sake of his sanity, but he always has time for people who love Press Gang. :-D

Also, if you look at what Big Finish are planning to release next year... I think they have picked up on your resistance to audio stuffs and are gunning for you. But I have confidence they won't get you.

Seven should bring his fez. Actually, lots of the other Doctors have hats. Would Eleven steal them?

I voted for everyone, but I'm not sure how I would feel about stand-ins. I didn't mind the alternate One in Five Doctors, but NO ONE can replace Trout. Fraser Hines needs to be in it though!

I sent Moffat a message on Twitter asking for a multi-Doctor story for the 50th. I say we start a Twitter campaign until he agrees to do it. How about #DW50 for the hashtag?

Yeah, I really don't think in this day and age when DVDs are so available and we can see the difference, it'd be okay. It feels a bit tacky to me, although, yes, it didn't seem to matter in The Five Doctors!

That's a good idea. Except I don't have a Twitter. You can tell him I did an exhaustive poll and most people would prefer it to at least involve Eight and penguins. :-)

I voted for everything. Except "the Doctor should meet a ticky-box", because that's just silly 8-).

"Others" I'd like to see would include Richard E. Grant (preferably as ShalkaDoc, rather than COFDDoc), Joanna Lumley, Jackson Lake, any Unbound Doctors not played by Arabella Weir, and Mysterious Future Doctors.

And when I say "penguins", I mean "Frobisher", obviously.

Oh. I hadn't realised silly wasn't allowed on DW. I don't think anyone else has realised yet, either. And he could totally happen to pick up a form with ticky boxes on it... :-p

YES. Unbound Doctors! David Collings!!! (Although he should really have been the AU red-headed Merlin Doctor from Battlefield instead of the evil Doctor). And that would presumably mean getting Michael Jayston back as the Valeyard. Although we might find Derek Jacobi a bit awkward, since he's been the Master as well.

Penguins, Whifferdills, whatever. :-)

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